To All the Non-Believers
I found this great editorial on the seattle post website:
-Johann Hari-
Rev up your SUV. Jump in a plane to New York for a morning meeting about how global warming is a "scam" and head back in the afternoon. When you return to your empty, centrally heated house, turn on that gas fire -- and toss a copy of the Kyoto treaty on the flames. This is the message from David Bellamy, still routinely dubbed one of Britain's "leading environmentalists." Global warming? Chill, baby, chill.
For more than a decade now, the climate change deniers have been in retreat, humbled by the thumping weight of scientific evidence. More than 10,000 reputable, peer-reviewed climate scientists believe the evidence that shows rapid shifts in global temperature are caused by human activity. Seven -- that's seven -- doubt it. But Bellamy's increasingly erratic outbursts over the past year have given the beleaguered band of anti-environmentalists a fresh gallon of petrol to fuel their flailing pro-carbon crusade.
"My belief is that global warming is a largely natural phenomenon and the world is in danger of wasting stupendous amounts of money on trying to fix something that can't be fixed and doesn't need to be anyway," Bellamy said, producing ecstasy in the offices of dozens of J.R. Ewings.
Whenever a journalist writes about man-made climate change, a cascade of e-mails from across the Atlantic floods in. The Arctic ice-sheet has lost half its thickness in the past 30 years? The 1990s were the hottest decade of the entire millennium? The level of carbon in the atmosphere has been consistently rising over this period? "Coincidence!" they cry.
They claim that anthropogenic climate change is "unproven." They send "briefing papers" from corporate-funded think tanks, designed to give the impression that this is "a controversial debate with two sides" and the United Nations Inter-Governmental Panel on Climate Change -- consisting of the world's 2,500 best climatologists -- was "fixed." They claim that they are "debunking myths" but when you look at the evidence, it becomes clear that they entertain more myths than the ancient Greeks.
Their first claim is intuitively appealing. It goes like this: Climate changes naturally in slow, inexorable cycles over millennia. It is simply egotism on the part of human beings to assume that our puny emissions have any effect at all.
At first, this sounds persuasive. Aren't we tiny? Isn't the world huge?
I put this to Geoff Jenkins, Britain's leading climatologist. He replied: "Of course it is true that many factors affect the climate, from changes in the sun to volcanoes. But levels of carbon are a key factor as well."
Everyone agrees there is a natural greenhouse effect, he explains. It's simple: Carbon and water vapor in the atmosphere trap heat and they keep us warmer. This is basic science. All climatologists are saying is that if you increase one of those properties -- carbon -- then more heat will be trapped and the temperature will rise further. "Nobody denies the natural greenhouse effect and nobody denies that humans have massively increased carbon emissions since the Industrial Revolution," says Jenkins, "so why does anybody dispute this unnatural greenhouse effect, especially with all the evidence of its effects?"
Jenkins invited Professor Bellamy to explain to him that levels of carbon in the atmosphere are now higher than they have been for the past 420,000 years -- with an obvious impact on the greenhouse effect. "He doesn't seem to have grasped basic scientific evidence," says Jenkins, a mild-tempered man, about the meeting. "When you understand how the atmosphere works in even a rudimentary fashion, his argument doesn't hold water."
Because the deniers are so out of tune with this overwhelming scientific consensus, they have been forced to turn on climatology itself. They say that -- out of hunger for research grants -- climatologists have all begun to skew their evidence. The more disastrous their predictions, the more money they are given by government agencies, so you can't trust what they say.
This is the opposite of the truth. The U.S. government has funded swaths of the most reputable climate change research. Who can seriously claim the White House of George W. Bush is eager for proof of climate change?
In fact, there is political pressure -- but it is for scientists to play down the evidence of climate change. For any scientist prepared to defy the evidence and deny anthropogenic climate change, there are huge "grants" and "consultancies" waiting for you from gas and oil companies.
The deniers then take a different tack: In the 1970s, they say, climatologists were warning about the dangers of a "new Ice Age." Now they say we'll boil. Isn't the truth that they don't know?
This is largely a myth. A handful of scientists in the '70s believed they were witnessing a process of "global cooling" that -- if extrapolated for a very long period -- would lead to an Ice Age. They said this was simply a possibility worth exploring, and they admitted the evidence was woefully insufficient. A few populist magazines ran with the idea but the scientists always expressed extreme uncertainty.
Today, by contrast, there is a near-complete scientific consensus that man-made global warming is happening and could be disastrous. The evidence is not patchy and partial, as the "global cooling" scientists always admitted theirs was; it is massive and overwhelming.
There are countless myths, but these arguments are distracting dances on the precipice of a volcano. The IPCC says we are now poised on the brink of a temperature rise in the next century that is bigger than the difference between the present day and the end of the last Ice Age. This will, they explain, "translate into climate-related impacts that are much larger and faster than any that have occurred during the 10,000-year history of civilization." Nobody knows where this will lead.
The climate-change deniers are rapidly ending up with as much intellectual credibility as creationists and Flat Earthers. Indeed, given that 25,000 people died in Europe in the 2003 heat wave caused by anthropogenic climate change, given that the genocide unfolding in Darfur has been exacerbated by the stresses of climate change, given that Bangladesh may disappear beneath the rising seas in the next century, they are nudging close to having the moral credibility of Holocaust deniers.
They are denying the reality of a force that -- unless we change the way we live pretty fast -- will kill millions.
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All Kyoto said was to charge fees / taxes based on electrical output. Things like that make me doubt pro-warming folks because, frankly, it would have done nothing but put money in the government's pockets and hamstrung the US economy. Note that it would not have reduced carbon emissions by one whit.
I don't think climate change deniers have been in retreat; I do think that people like Hari are pushing a whole lot harder now.
You want to talk about fun facts, how about the fact that the study she cites that proclaims the 1990's were the hottest decade, and 1998 was the hottest year, was utterly fallacious, wrong, and propagandized by the scientist who published it?
Just go search for "climate change hockey stick" and you'll see countless websites debunking Mann's IPCC study (and countless more furiously defending it with superior tones and so-called "myths" of the rabid oil eating right).
I'm not saying that there is no possible way that this isnt athropogenic. It may be -- what I will say without a doubt is that no one in science knows nearly as much as they think they do. I would hazard a guess that the Earth's climate is as near as complicated as an atom; and, as Niels Bohr said "Anyone who thinks they can talk about quantum theory (climate change!) without feeling dizzy hasn't yet understood the first thing about it." and "It is very difficult to make an accurate prediction, especially about the future."
Any time a scientific debate gets politicized, raise your warning flag -- something is amiss!
Sorry, no time for a rebuttal or a post. This is the only time I have to just say that I'm going to my cabin until sunday. I'll be sure to take lots o' pics. hagen out...
Saying that climate change is as complicated as quantum theory is scientific blasphemy. You know how ridiculous that sounds right? Sure, meteorology is usually wrong about what's going to happen with the weather next week, but they can come up with an educated guess as to whether or not it's going to rain tommorow. Quantum theory deals with a literally infinite number of possibilities concerning the behavior atoms, electrons and sub-atomic particles in any given moment. Sub-atomic particles can theoretically be in an infinite number of places at once. The best explanation for the seemingly random, chaotic movement and behavior of atoms and their particles is that they're made up of unimaginably tiny oscillating strings of energy. I think the explanation for greenhouse gases affecting global warming is a tad bit easier to understand. I could keep going, but I think I've made my point.
Saying that "climate change is so unpredictable that there shouldn't even be any kind of multi-national cooperative effort to reduce greenhouse gas emissions" is like people in New Orleans saying "hey, we don't know if another category 5 hurricane is going to hit us again or not... so screw the levees".
Pigs can fly Matt. Did you know that? I don't have any evidence to back it up, just take my word for it. There are several scientific studies pointing to the fact that the 90's were the hottest decade on record. I've never seen one that claimed temperatures weren't on an average incline across the globe. You cite one person's study, say it was bunk and then provide no evidence of your claim... like usual.
You yourself said that this isn't a left or right issue, yet now you say it's a subject that is being politicized. Which is it? Of course it's being politicized. That's the only avenue through which change can happen!
I disagree with your insinuation that climate change isn't as complicated as quantum mechanics. It is, in essence, caused by random interactions on the part of trillions of variables. Perhaps, to scale, climate change is one thousandth as complicated as quantum physics. That still leaves us knowing next to nothing. From the IPCC themselves:
In climate research and modeling, we should recognize that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.
At least quantum phsycists are honest about their lack of knowledge though!
"Hockey Stick" stuff:
Doubts about the validity of The Hockey Stick were given fresh life on July 1 when Michael E. Mann, one of scientists who created the 1,000-year chart, published a corrigendum in Nature. Corrigendum is science publication jargon for correction. "It has been drawn to our attention that the listing of the 'proxy' data set ... contained several errors." After describing the errors, Mr. Mann said "none of these errors affect our previously published results."
Not true, say the Canadian researchers -- Ross McKitrick of Guelph University and Toronto analyst Steve McIntyre -- who pointed out the errors. They had asked Nature (which published Mann's original Hockey Stick paper in 1999) to investigate. Nature would have ordered the corrigendum. However, in a note responding to Mr. Mann's corrigendum claim that nothing had changed, McKitrick and McIntyre said, "We have done the calculations and can assert categorically that the claim is false."
So who's right? McKitrick and McIntyre say they have written another paper on the Hockey Stick debate and will be in a position to defend their conclusion "when that paper is published." They have already written, in a paper described on this page last October, that the Mann numbers were "unreliable" and "could not be used" to compare between centuries. The result, they say, is that Mann's claim that the 20th century was likely the warmest years of the last 1,000 years is wholly unsubstantiated.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3569604.stm
http://www.john-daly.com/hockey/hockey.htm
http://www.pacificresearch.org/pub/sab/enviro/05_enviroindex/18_climate_change.html
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba478/
http://www.envirotruth.org/news/20040713.cfm
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/mg18524861.400
Sources enough for you? I can find more.
Simply because something is politicized doesn't mean it is a left/right issue. There are many things that can split parties down the middle. I know there are republican candidates who are
The year in review: Climate change.
* Dispute continues over Michael Mann’s “hockey stick” graph, which purports to prove that the last 25 years have been the warmest in the last 1,000 years. Scientists have shown that a key step in the process used to generate Mann's graph is strongly biased in favour of finding hockey stick patterns even in lists of random numbers. One internationally renowned expert has called the graph “methodologically wrong” and “rubbish.”
* July 2004 was the coolest July in the last four years. Perhaps that’s partly because the annual rate of increase in the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere is only about half of what is expected based on man-made emissions. Scientists believe the oceans are absorbing the missing half.
* The arctic today, though warmer than it was in 1970, is colder than it was in 1930. In fact, temperatures in Greenland have fallen over the last 15 years. That is leading some scientists to believe that shifts in the wind, rather than temperature change, are responsible for any retreating of the arctic ice.
"I disagree with your insinuation that climate change isn't as complicated as quantum mechanics.---Perhaps, to scale, climate change is one thousandth as complicated as quantum physics."
sorry, just had to point out that contradiction.
thanks for the sources, that's all i've been asking for.
once again, there are always going to be skeptics. in terms of quantum mechanics, i like the string theory explanation for the theory of unification. for the beginning of the universe, i prefer the big bang theory over the "god spoke" theory. for the creation of life, i prefer the theory of evolution to the theory that the earth is only 10,000 years old and that humans once walked with dinosaurs. for every single one of these theories, there are dissenters and skeptics and lots of people who just simply reject them because they disrupt their view of reality.
global warming is a theory. and it's a theory because it isn't proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. i will repeat the main statement in the editorial i posted:
More than 10,000 reputable, peer-reviewed climate scientists believe the evidence that shows rapid shifts in global temperature are caused by human activity. Seven -- that's seven -- doubt it.
i'm with the majority on this issue and that's where i feel comfortable.
when the main arguments of global warming skeptics are so quickly and easily debunked by the vast majority of climate scientists, you have to wonder if they really hold any water.
your first argument: hard to understand. if a scientist is looking at data and not random numbers, how can their studies be biased towards finding hockey sticks? just need some clarification to understand.
second: i already addressed this in my ocean acidity post. the ocean absorbing co2 emissions along with the atmosphere is ALSO not good for the environment. i can see a little bit of an argument against global warming specifically, but not in the overall fossil fuel burning debate.
third: my sources say something completely different. if this were true i wouldn't be surprised. it wouldn't change my mind.
1 billion people on the planet in 1900, almost 6.5 now. that's 5.5 billion people added to the planet in one century. something that the human race has NEVER accomplished in all of human history. Industrial expansion has been on a steady increase since 1800. the world is becoming flatter, therefore more people have access to cars and other fossil fuel burning technology. the acidity of the oceans seems to be going up, the average temp of the globe is going up. the co2 in the atmosphere has never been higher then it is now. it's all a big coincidence that all these factors are coming together you say. all i'm saying is that is an extremely dangerous assumption.
The contradiction was no conundrum of conscience on my part; instead, it was a clarification of a concession to continue conversation at a civil and friendly pace! (haha alliteration).
To clarify #1. McKitrick and Mcintyre (M&M for ease of typing) used the same computer algorithm Mann used with different data, and found a hockey stick pattern. Their interest piqued, they then fed the computer any numbers...random or otherwise. Based on a randomized input of initial conditions, the computer algorithm Mann used had a bias towards a "hockey stick" pattern. This is difficult to understand without at least a background in calculus (probably calc 2). Failing that, you can take my word for it that some equations have a tendency to "blow up" as they approach infinity. One sentence answer: his program had a bug that made any input have a high potential to yield a hockey stick pattern.
I'm not sure what the references to "Bible vs Science" are all about; the Bible is (to my knowledge) silent about global warming. (Actually, a quick google search with the string "global warming bible" clearly proves me wrong:
The seven last plagues occur during the last year of earth’s history. Global warming occurs during the fourth plague as described in Revelation 16:8,9 in the King James Version of the Bible: “And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.”
Better get ready for some heat! heh.)
Where was this 10,000 number from? I'd like a source too/
How about this gem:
It is still of interest to ask what we would expect a doubling of carbon dioxide to do. A large number of calculations show that if this is all that happened, we might expect a warming of from .5 to 1.2 degrees centigrade. The general consensus is that such warming would present few, if any, problems. But even that prediction is subject to some uncertainty because of the complicated way the greenhouse effect operates. More important, the climate is a complex system where it is impossible for all other internal factors to remain constant. In present models those other factors amplify the effects of increasing carbon dioxide and lead to predictions of warming in the neighborhood of four to five degrees centigrade. Internal processes within the climate system that change in response to warming in such a manner as to amplify the response are known as positive feedbacks. Internal processes that diminish the response are known as negative feedbacks. The most important positive feedback in current models is due to water vapor. In all current models upper tropospheric (five to twelve kilometers) water vapor--the major greenhouse gas--increases as surface temperatures increase. Without that feedback, no current model would predict warming in excess of 1.7 degrees centigrade--regardless of any other factors. Unfortunately, the way current models handle factors such as clouds and water vapor is disturbingly arbitrary. In many instances the underlying physics is simply not known. In other instances there are identifiable errors. Even computational errors play a major role. Indeed, there is compelling evidence for all the known feedback factors to actually be negative. In that case, we would expect the warming response to carbon dioxide doubling alone to be diminished.
Or this, on scientific "consensus":
Indeed, the growing skepticism is in many ways remarkable. One of the earliest protagonists of global warming, Roger Revelle, the late professor of ocean sciences at Scripps Institution of Oceanography who initiated the direct monitoring of carbon dioxide during the International Geophysical Year (1958), coauthored with S. Fred Singer and Chauncy Starr a paper recommending that action concerning global warming be delayed insofar as current knowledge was totally inadequate. Another active advocate of global warming, Michael McElroy, head of the Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences at Harvard, has recently written a paper acknowledging that existing models cannot be used to forecast climate.
One might think that such growing skepticism would have some influence on public debate, but the insistence on "scientific unanimity'' continues unabated. At times, that insistence takes some very strange forms. Over a year ago, Robert White, former head of the U.S. Weather Bureau and currently president of the National Academy of Engineering, wrote an article for Scientific American that pointed out that the questionable scientific basis for global warming predictions was totally inadequate to justify any costly actions. He did state that if one were to insist on doing something, one should only do things that one would do even if there were no warming threat. Immediately after that article appeared, Tom Wicker, a New York Times columnist and a confidant of Sen. Gore, wrote a piece in which he stated that White had called for immediate action on "global warming.'' My own experiences have been similar. In an article in Audubon Stephen Schneider states that I have "conceded that some warming now appears inevitable.'' Differences between expectations of unmeasurable changes of a few tenths of a degree and warming of several degrees are conveniently ignored. Karen White in a lengthy and laudatory article on James Hansen that appeared in the New York Times Sunday Magazine reported that even I agreed that there would be warming, having "reluctantly offered an estimate of 1.2 degrees.'' That was, of course, untrue.
Both quotes from Richard Lindzen. Don't believe everything the media puts in front of you as 'fact'. Case in point, Adnan Hajj's photography portfolio.
Kudos, good rebuttal. You're right, I do not understand calculus. Never took it, somehow I passed the math placement test freshman year so no calc for me. That does make sense though (in a way). My brain and math are mortal enemies so I'm going to stop thinking about it before my head starts hurting too bad.
Sorry, I can't find a credible source that specifically talks about how many climate scientists believe in human-caused climate change as opposed to those who don't. But I have come across similar figures in other places. Just take my word for it :).
This Richard Lindzen guy is an obviously very credible meteorologist. He's also very closely tied to conservative circles. He's immersed in the "politicizing" of climate change, therefore I'm going to have to raise my warning flag.
"A large number of calculations show that if this is all that happened, we might expect a warming of from .5 to 1.2 degrees centigrade."
"Karen White in a lengthy and laudatory article on James Hansen that appeared in the New York Times Sunday Magazine reported that even I agreed that there would be warming, having "reluctantly offered an estimate of 1.2 degrees.'' That was, of course, untrue."
--- lindzen
okay, so he mentioned many calculations predicting that temps would increase and then he said that he technically never said that? sneaky, sneaky. he didn't dispute those computations, just put doubt in them since climate science is so complicated.
read this article from realclimate.org that takes a closer look at lindzens arguments.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=222
...it is clear that Lindzen only signs up to the first point of the basic 'consensus' as outlined here previously, that the planet has indeed warmed significantly over the 20th century. While he accepts that CO2 and other greenhouse gases have increased due to human activities, and that this should warm the planet, he does not accept that it is necessarily an important component in the 20th century rise. His preferred option (by process of elimination) appears to be intrinsic variability, but he provides no support for this contention.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=86
The IPCC process was supposed to be - and is - a summary of the science (as available at the time). Because they did their job well, it really is a good review/summary/synthesis.
The main points that most would agree on as "the consensus" are:
1. The earth is getting warmer (0.6 +/- 0.2 oC in the past century; 0.1 0.17 oC/decade over the last 30 years (see update)) [ch 2]
2. People are causing this [ch 12] (see update)
3. If GHG emissions continue, the warming will continue and indeed accelerate [ch 9]
4. (This will be a problem and we ought to do something about it)
The skeptic attitude to consensus usually starts with "there is no consensus". That's wrong, and they usually retreat from it to "but consensus science is meaningless", and/or "consensus has nothing to do with science". The latter is largely true but irrelevant. The existence of the consensus doesn't do a lot to determine what science is done; it doesn't prevent contrary lines being explored. But the consensus view does come into the tricky interface between science and policy, and science and the media.
The existence of the consensus shouldn't be used to hide the fact that there are areas of doubt. Climate models clearly aren't perfect. There are questions about the differences between surface and tropospheric temperature trends. Conversely the existence of some areas of doubt shouldn't be used to try to hide the many areas of understanding and agreement.
Lindzen doesn't seem to have a detailed argument for or against the scientific concensus. He's really just there to say, "hey wait a minute, it COULD BE all these other factors that are warming up the planet... but I'm really not sure." His main argument seems to be that the scientific community as a whole has jumped to conclusions.
Myth vs. Fact Regarding the Hockey Stick:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=11
^-- this is a great website. definetly the best i've come across in terms of legitimacy. climate science from climate scientists... not some blogger like you and me scanning the web for anything that'll support our arguments.
I think the point Lindzen is making here is that there is a surface 'consensus' but not a true agreement. For example, walk into a room and ask a large group of people if black people are, on average, more athletic than whites. I'd guess the majority would say yes. Then, ask if, conversely, whites are more intelligent than blacks. I'd guess you'd get something like a 99% no response. You could then say that there is a "consensus" that blacks are superior to whites. This story could get picked up by the media and run with, and it would be cited for years to come by slavery apologists.
Lindzen says "yes, the Earth is warming". That is not in dispute; the data we have directly measured (ie. last century or so) has shown this. He then says, "yes, based on the variables we know of, if you increase CO2 holding all other vairbals constant, the Earth will warm by .5 to 1.2 degrees". The reporter then turns around and says "EXTRA EXTRA, LINDZEN SUPPORTS (anthropogenic) GLOBAL WARMING OF 1.2 DEGREES!" which is, of course, untrue.
Media love sensationalist journalism. Reports that the Earth is warming and its going to get a lot worse before the end are way more interesting than reports that its warming, but don't worry about it. People who say "this is a danger, millions could die" could pull government funding to investigate for the public good, while someone who says "its hot, but its not going to be a problem" gets none -- why would you give him money for that statement?
I think I would agree with point 1. of the IPCC. I don't know that it is anthropocentric; I'd love to see a solar incident energy vs. increased in CO2 effect graph. (i.e., solar energy increased by .2% AND CO2 increased by 10%, therefore the temp increased 50% because of increased incident radiation and 50% because of a difference in the net absorbance of the atmosphere).
3 and 4 are kind of out there. As Lindzen points out, there are variables that are being pointedly ignored because they don't contribute to the hype.
Lindzen's point would be better summed up as "The Earth has warmed, it may warm more, but we don't know for sure, and its unlikely we could do anything about it."
It would certainly be foolish to spend billions of dollars and destroy every third world country's economy (as Kyoto would have, had anyone followed it) on nothing, right?
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