CwG: An Uncommon Dialogue
Since this website is technically called “spirituality demonstrated”, once again I feel obliged to share a passage from the source of some of my wisdom/spirituality/whatever cheesy word you wanna call it. I’ve posted passages from these books before, and I’ll continue doing it. I just wanted to reiterate that you should not be thrown off by the title, because the level of wisdom and common sense present in these books will blow you away if you give them a chance. It’s a continued conversation with what Neale Donald Walsch calls “god”. I won’t get into whether or not it’s actually God that he’s talking to, but that’s neither here nor there. It’s an assumption that if you were to talk to something that represented a perspective that contained infinite understanding and wisdom, what would you ask it? What might He/She/It say? This particular passage comes from his second Conversations with God book, which focuses on geo-politics and the state of the world in general. (Q&A Format, Neale italicized, "god" not)
Specifically talking about the relationship of war, the economy and humanitarian causes.
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If you could add billions of dollars a year to your nation’s economy – dollars which could be spent to feed the hungry, clothe the needy, house the poor, bring security to the elderly, provide better health, and produce a dignified standard of living for all – wouldn’t that be in your nation’s best interest?
Well, in America there are those who would argue that it would help the poor at the expense of the rich and of the middle-income taxpayer. Meanwhile, the country continues to go to hell, crime ravages the nation, inflation robs the people of their life savings, unemployment skyrockets, the government grows bigger and fatter, and in school they’re handing out condoms.
You sound like a radio talk show.
Well, these are the concerns of many Americans.
Then they are short-sighted. Do you not see that if billions of dollars a year-that’s millions a month, hundreds and hundreds of thousands a week, unheard of amounts each day – could be sunk back into your system… that if you could use these monies to feed your hungry, clothe your needy, house your poor, bring security to your elderly, and provide health care and dignity to all… the causes of crime would be lost forever? Do you not see that new jobs would mushroom as dollars were pumped back into your economy? That your own government could even be reduced because it would have less to do?
I suppose some of that could happen – I can’t imagine government ever getting smaller! – but just where are these millions and billions going to come from? Taxes imposed by Your new world government? More taking from those who’ve “worked to get it” to give to those who won’t “stand upon their own two feet” and go after it?
Is that how you frame it?
No, but it is how a great many people see it, and I wanted to fairly state their view.
Well, I’d like to talk about that later. Right now I don’t want to get off track – but I want to come back to that later.
Great.
But you’ve asked where these new dollars would come from. Well, they would not have to come from any new taxes imposed by the new world community (although members of the community – individual citizens – would want, under an enlightened governance, to send 10 percent of their income to provide for society’s needs as a whole). Nor would they come from new taxes imposed by any local government. In fact, some local governments would surely be able to reduce taxes.
All of this – all of these benefits – would result from the simple restructuring of your world view, the simpler reordering of your world political configuration.
How?
The money you save from building defense systems and attack weapons.
Oh, I get it! You want us to close down the military!
Not just you. Everybody in the world.
But not close down your military, simply reduce it – drastically. Internal order would be your only need. You could strengthen local police – something you say you want to do, but cry each year at budget time that you cannot do – at the same time dramatically reducing your spending on weapons of war and preparations for war; that is, offensive and defensive weapons of mass destruction.
First, I think your figures exaggerate how much could be saved by doing that. Second, I don’t think You’ll ever convince people they should give up their ability to defend themselves.
Let’s look at the numbers. Presently (it is March 25, 1994, as we write this) the world’s governments spend about one trillion dollars a year for military purposes. That’s a million dollars a minute worldwide. (that's $1,000,000,000,000)
The nations that are spending the most could redirect the most to other priorities mentioned. So larger, richer nations would see it in their best interests to do so – if they thought it was possible. But larger, richer nations cannot imagine going defenseless, for they fear aggression and attack from the nations which envy them and want what they have.
There are two ways to eliminate this threat.
1. Share enough of the world’s total wealth and resources with all of the world’s people so that no one will want and need what someone else has, and everyone may live in dignity and remove themselves from fear.
2. Create a system for the resolution of differences that eliminates the need for war – and even the possibility of it.
The people of the world would probably never do this.
They already have.
They have?
Yes. There is a great experiment now going on in your world in just this sort of political order. That experiment is called the United States of America.
Which You said was failing miserably.
It is. It has very far to go before it could be called a success. (As I promised earlier, I’ll talk about this – and the attitudes which are now preventing it – later.) Still, it is the best experiment going.
It is as Winston Churchill said. “Democracy is the worst system,” he announced, “except all others.”
Your nation was the first to take a loose confederation of individual states and successfully unite them into a cohesive group, each submitting to one central authority.
At the time, none of the states wanted to do this, and each resisted mightily, fearing the loss of its individual greatness and claiming that such a union would not serve its best interests.
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In short, your original states, though joined together under the Articles of Confederation, were acting exactly as independent nations do today.
Although they could see that the agreements of their Confederation (such as the granting to Congress the sole authority to coin money) were not working, they staunchly resisted creating and submitting to a central authority that could enforce these agreements and put some teeth into them.
Yet, in time, a few progressive leaders began to prevail. They convinced the rank and file that there was more to be gained by creating such a new Federation than they would ever lose.
Merchants would save money and increase profits because individual states could no longer tax each other’s goods.
Governments would save money and have more to put into programs and services that truly helped people because resources would not have to be used to protect individual states from each other.
The people would have greater security and safety, and greater prosperity, too, by cooperating with, rather than fighting with, each other.
Far from losing their greatness, each state could become greater still.
And that, of course is exactly what has happened.
The same could be made to happen with the 160 nation states in the world today if they were to join together in a United Federation.
It could mean an end to war.
5 Comments:
Its an interesting idea, but I find a pretty big hitch in it.
Well, first of all, government won't really work like that. The whole redistribution of defense budget thing, I mean.
Thats not the hitch though. The big hitch is that people don't want that. The people in power don't want that. Even the people in the states don't want that -- and in a democratic system, people get what they want. Its built in, thats just the way it is.
If you could vote it to go like this, it wouldn't pass.
Second hitch is that the folks in the 13 colonies were largely of similar background, morality, religion, etc. They had a vested interest in banding together and could "deal" with each other.
Lets see you get Shia and Shiite clerics to give in to being in the same room with each other. Or how about the Hutu and Tutsi? The countries of the world are too varied and diverse to be tied into a federation -- look at the UN. Even on the security council we've got Bozos that aren't even third world countries. The Russians and Chinese are rich enough to live with "dignity" and yet they're actively stalling us in our attempts to curb Ahmadinejad's insane wipe-Israel-off-the-map ambitions.
There you go whining again... "This is the way it is! And this is the way it will ALWAYS be!" The ultimate skeptic. Anythings possible.My post sounds nice right? I wouldn't have a problem with that kind of world. Anything's better than what we have now.
If you go out on the street and ask each and every person you encounter what their one wish for the world would be, they'd say "PEACE!" I'm sure if you asked the same of many shiites and sunnis, they'd say the same.
Okay, so we've got that covered. Almost everybody wants to live in peace and prosperity, no? It doesn't say anywhere in my post that that would be easy. I see life as a constant struggle to improve upon yourself, and improve upon the conditions around you. To say that to try and improve our global society is impossible is to admit defeat.... (cut and run).
Now, once concluding that everyone wants peace, you then look at the best example of nation-states putting aside their differences and uniting into one peaceful whole... the United States of America. Yes, we united in order to gain our independence. But we also united for economic and political convenience.
The UN is powerless and impotent. In order for that body to work, it would obviously have to be restructured. Not impossible, but perhaps difficult and cumbersome.
What would work would be the formation of a new world political community, with each nation state having an equal say in the world's affairs, and an equal proportionate share of the world's resources.
You're implying that the "haves" would never surrender their sovereignty, wealth, and resources to the "have-nots." What needs to first change before any of this is possible is humanities overall, general view of the world. We're not seperate from each other and we're all in this together. (God, that couldn't sound any cheesier) But, that's literally the truth if you really, critically think about it. If I can come to that realization, along with millions of other people already on the planet, why do you think it's not possible for people in the mid-east to eventually come to that realization someday?
You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.
These people are actively stalling us because they don't TRUST US. You have to gain trust from people before they become your freind, right? Simple truth.
Your post is totally utopian and completely impossible.
If you go out and ask people what their one wish for the world, they may say peace, but if you ask them for one wish it certainly wouldn't be something as altruistic as that. People are too selfish.
Everyone wants to live in prosperity, most don't want to be bothered. Few want to work for either peace or wealth.
The problem with everything your saying is that people don't play nice. They snatch and grab, and steal, and stiff-arm people into doing what they want. Look for people, you'll find a power-play.
As for having each nation state with an equal say and equal share of resources, thats just silly. You're asking for geopolitical socialism, which is inviting a collapse of the largest magnitude.
You want peace? Bring capitalism to countries. You want wealth? Capitalism. Fewer babies? You guessed it...capitalism does that too.
Why distribute resources "equally"? Why not commoditize them and let the market take them hither and tither as it sees fit. In any situation, freedom of the market will win over management. Always.
You just opened up a can of worms. This is going to be another one of those comment threads.
I can see this being another one of those debates that goes on forever and ever. I wish I could get into it right now, but I don't have enough time to get my point across.
I can start somewhere though. The main difference between conservatives and liberals is the assumptions that each makes on the basic nature of human beings. That's what every single issue boils down to. I believe in the innate good nature of every person. I believe good people sometimes do horrible things. But they do those things because they are misguided and misinformed. No one does anything that they know to be wrong. That would be completely and utterly impossible. Have you ever done anything in your life that you KNEW and totally understood to be wrong?
Like I said, it would take a major shift in human conciousness and understanding before any of the things mentioned in my post were possible. But it isn't IMpossible. The world is the way it is because younger generations haven't had the balls to look at their elders and critically analyze the decisions that they have made in the past.
My "utopian" world will be possible when people realize that it is in everyone's best interest for it to happen. That is the ultimate selfishness, doing what is best for EVERYONE.
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