Mother Nature vs. Unregulated Capitalism Part I
GLOBAL WARMING and ECOLOGICAL DESTRUCTION
Left Wing: Very real problem; is changing and is going to drastically change Earth's climate as we now know it.
Right Wing: Scare tactic by liberals.
This might be kind of a long post. I still can't finish it because I'm bogged down by everything else in life. Dave Matthews Band Concert this weekend in Alpine Valley baby! This is only part of my post that I've been working on forever now. I'll finish it when I get back, because it's not even close to being completed.
It's not just global warming, but water pollution, forest destruction and the annihalation of endangered species that bothers me. Every sane scientist in the world will tell you that the destruction of the ecology of our planet is very real. It isn't some natural variation in climate change. The planet is warming up faster than it ever has, and it's our fault. The destruction of forests and other environments that we depend on for our very existence is happening every second of every day all over the world, and it's our fault. Never before in the history of Earth has one species had the capacity to have such an enormous and direct influence on the environmental system of the entire planet. With great power comes great responsibility.
Life began on Earth because of carbon dioxide. Now through the same man-made emmissions, were speeding up the process by which Earth will become uninhabitable for most species of animals who now call it home and were doing this by pumping too much carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Carbon dioxide is a 'greenhouse gas', which in short contributes to the rate at which our atmosphere absorbs solar radiation. The more CO2, the more solar radiation is absorbed, the warmer the planet becomes.
If you look at our two terrestrial neighbors, Venus and Mars, you begin to understand the impact that the gas has on planet temperatures. Venus has several times as much carbon dioxide in it's atmosphere, and it's extremely hot. Mars has very little, and is extremely cold. Both are uninhabitable. Our planet is the goldilocks of the solar system; not too hot, not too cold. This is in large part because of our distance from the sun, but the amount of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere has a huge impact.
The Earth is a living system, just like your body. It's extremely complex. The planet has it's own natural way of "staying healthy" just like the immune system in your body. Like your body, the earth isn't in perfect equilibrium, and sometimes like you, the earth can catch a cold now and then. Instead of white blood cells, Earth has trees, plants and algae that take CO2 in the atmosphere and convert it into breathable oxygen. Unfortunately our forests are being cut down everyday at extremely alarming rates. We are destroying our planet's ability to rejuvenate itself and pumping dangerous toxins into the atmosphere, delivering a one-two punch. We should be the protectors of our environment intstead of it's destroyers. After all, we wouldn't be here without it.
Not just CO2, but Methane, increases in solar activity and earth's positional orbit in relation to the sun can all have an effect on global warming. See: Study: Increase in Solar Radiation
Not only are we potentially endangering the livelihood of our future generations, but today we're putting enormous efforts and resources into perpetuating our state of complete and total denial. The Bush Administration is the leading force in this war on information. You would think that when you're the leader of the free world, you would be concerned about the future of the planet. You would hire scientists, or at least people who knew what they were talking about to lead agencies in charge of scientific research. You can't expect that kind of logic to apply to a person who thinks "it would be a lot easier if I were a dictator"....
Bush hired Phil Cooney to head the White House Council on Environmental Quality. Who is Phil Cooney? He's a lawyer, and was a lobbyist for the American Petroleum Institute before coming to the White House. If that doesn't make you want to kick and scream, I'm not sure you should be allowed to have children. But thats not even the best part. Mr. Cooney is the official White House "editor" of reports done by NASA climate scientists. All of NASA's climate reports are sent to the White House for verification.
Here is the entry for Phil Cooney on Wikipedia (I love Wikipedia if you haven't noticed):
Phil A. Cooney was chief of staff for White House Council on Environmental Quality for the George W. Bush administration, an institution that shapes much of America's environmental policy. In a position that may be viewed as requiring scientific training, Cooney is a lawyer and holds a bachelors degree in economics. Prior to joining the Bush administration, Cooney was a lobbyist at the American Petroleum Institute. In early 2005, Cooney came under fire for radically changing a number of 2002 and 2003 official reports on climate change, mostly to increase a sense of uncertainty around the scientific data on climate change. As a New York Times article reports: In a section on the need for research into how warming might change water availability and flooding, he crossed out a paragraph describing the projected reduction of mountain glaciers and snowpack. His note in the margins explained that this was "straying from research strategy into speculative findings/musings." In June, 2005, Cooney resigned his position in the Bush Administration and was hired by ExxonMobil [1].
NASA recently came out with a report that found that the alarmingly fast warming and melting of the arctic is due in large part to summer smog pollution, and not just CO2 emissions. Here's the story: NASA: Summer Smog Impacts Arctic Melting
San Francisco Chronicle: Tim Barnett of the University of California's Scripps Institution of Oceanography. "The debate is over, at least for rational people. And for those who insist that the uncertainties remain too great, their argument is no longer tenable. We've nailed it." SFGate
I'll finish my post with an excerpt from The Future of Life by Edward O. Wilson, the author of two Pulitzer Prize-winning books, recipient of many of the world's leading prizes in science and conservation, Research Professor at Pelligrino University and Honorary Curator in Entomolgy of the Museum of Comparitive Zoology at Harvard University:
Environmentalism is still widely viewed, especially in the United States, as a special-interest lobby. Its proponents, in this blinkered view, flutter their hands over pollution and threatened species, exaggerate their case, and press for industrial restraint and the protection of wild places, even at the cost of economic development and jobs. Environmentalism is something more central and vastly more important. Its essence has been defined by science in the following way. Earth, unlike the other solar planets is not in physical equilibrium. It depends on its living shell to create the special conditions on which life is sustainable. The soil, water, and atmoshere of its surface have evolved over hundreds of millions of years to their present condition by activity of the biosphere, a stupendously complex layer of living creatures whose activities are locked together in precise but tenuous global cycles of energy and transformed organic matter. The biosphere creates our special world anew every day, every minute, and holds it in a unique, shimmering physical disequilibrium. On that disequilibrium the human species is in total thrall. When we alter the biosphere in any direction, we move the environment away from the delicate dance of biology. When we destroy ecosystems and extinguish species, we degrade the greatest heritage this planet has to offer and thereby threaten our own existence.
9 Comments:
Let's start from the top, shall we? Why must it be a right wing vs left wing issue? Its only that way because the left wing has made it a political tool, a bargaining chit, rather than a scientific debate.
It's not just global warming, but water pollution, forest destruction and the annihalation of endangered species that bothers me.
I am all for conservation. I also think we need to be responsible and not pollute, water included. However, your comment about endangered species is kind of funny. Things have been going extinct for a long time. Most of them went away before we even showed up. Now I'm not saying we should encourage extinction...but it is, after all, a natural process. Given no interferance, there would still be extinction.
Every sane scientist in the world will tell you that the destruction of the ecology of our planet is very real.
Again, baseless ad hominem attacks that label anyone who disagrees with you as insane are not grounds for rational discourse. You have not polled every sane scientist in the world, nor has anyone else.
The planet is warming up faster than it ever has, and it's our fault.
You don't know that. Like I said...begging the question.
Carbon dioxide is a 'greenhouse gas', which in short contributes to the rate at which our atmosphere absorbs solar radiation. The more CO2, the more solar radiation is absorbed, the warmer the planet becomes.
This explanation is, in short, ridiculously fatuous. You are trying to explain something that is ridiculously complex with a wave of the hand and a voila! when it is not something quite that simple. Did you know that all organic compounds absorb infrared radiation? Meaning, everything in the atmosphere, and here on the planet, plays a part in capturing the incident radiation from the sun? If you want to learn more about this phenomenon, here's a good starter website:
http://www.cem.msu.edu/~reusch/
VirtTxtJml/Spectrpy/InfraRed/
infrared.htm
Here are some others that show side-by-side comparisons of what absorbs which wavelengths and how much.
http://www.habmigern2003.info/
future_trends/infrared_analyser/
ndir/IR-Absorption-GB.html
http://www.atmos.umd.edu/~owen/
CHPI/IMAGES/transir.html
Note that water absorbs more than CO2 (across more wavelengths). Shall we get rid of that? Clouds are, in fact, contributing to the warming of the earth!
Unfortunately our forests are being cut down everyday at extremely alarming rates.
This is suspect, as you have no source to cite for this. Also, your analogy of the earth as an irritable organism is also somewhat suspect. I do not think the earth produces more photosynthesizing organisms locally to combat high CO2 levels to "restore the balance". In addition, if "global warming" melts all the ice caps and adds surface area to the ocean, this will actually increase available photosynthesis area for the earth. Roughly half of the photosynthesis that occurs happens in the ocean, due to our friend the phytoplankton. I have never seen anyone compare actual photosynthesis rates over the whole world (our "deforestation" vs new growth and ocean photosynthesis rates). This is for two reasons: one, its hard. Two, this may undermine the friends of the earth approach to science by showing that man is not inherently bad or bent on self-destruction. We may actually be fairly conscientous stewards, but no one is willing to look for fear that it may be the case.
You can't expect that kind of logic to apply to a person who thinks "it would be a lot easier if I were a dictator"
Here's where you go off the deep end. A fairly rational (if misinformed) debate degrades into a political shootout.
Look, you keep saying the debate is over as if anything in science has ever approached a consensus. If you really must start throwing names about, try this one: Richard S Lindzen, the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT. Clearly not a person in the pocket of the administration, or a lawyer, or someone working for an oil company. He is actually an expert in the field of climate study. I think he qualifies as a "sane" scientist. If you'd like to read what he says, it was published in Sunday's Wall Street Journal.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/
extra/?id=110008597
If you really want to learn, as you claim, read it. It may just change your mind.
According to Rainforest Action Network, more than an acre-and-a-half is lost every second of every day (refer to the entries below to see, quantitatively, what that translates into). That’s an area more than twice the size of Florida that goes up in smoke every year! "If present rates of destruction continue, half our remaining rainforests will be gone by the year 2025, and by 2060 there will be no rainforests remaining."
Every second . . we lose an area the size of two football fields!
Every minute . . we lose an area 29 times the size of the Pentagon!
Every hour . . . we lose an area 684 times larger than the New Orleans Superdome!
Every day . . . we lose an area larger than all five boroughs of New York City!
Every week . . . we lose an area twice the size of Rhode Island!
Every month . . .we lose an area the size of Belize!
Every year . . . we lose an area more than twice the size of Florida!
--http://www.savetherainforest.org/savetherainforest_007.htm
"Biodiversity is being irreversibly destroyed by human activities at an unprecedented rate. . . (demanding) urgent and significant action."
New plant and animal species are emerging, University of Minnesota ecology professor David Tilman says, but not nearly fast enough to make up for the toll caused by human activity.
"That's sort of a 1 million to 4 million year process, and yet we are causing species to be lost at rates of 100 to 1000 times faster," he says.
Tilman says the rate of extinction is approaching what scientists assume happened 65 million years ago. That's when many believe a giant meteorite struck the earth, causing a dramatic climate change that led to mass extinction.
"Thirty million years (later) things were pretty much back to normal, different species, dinosaurs were gone, mammals were here," he says.
Unlike then, Tilman argues, we can't count on time to heal the earth's wounds.
--http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2005/01/31_olsond_biodiversity/
On or about October 12, 1999, the world population reached 6 billion. It has continued to climb at an annual rate of 1.4 percent, adding 200,000 people each day or the equivalent of the population of a large city each week. In 1800, the population was 1 billion. In 1900 it was 1.6 billion.
The footprint for the total human population is 2.1 hectares (5.2 acres). For every person in the world to reach present U.S. levels of consumption with existing technology would require FOUR MORE PLANET EARTHS.
How is my description of CO2 ridiculous? That's what a greenhouse gas does. Everybody already knows this, so that's why I spent almost no time trying re-explain it to everyone.
This is just the way that I understand things. I'm not attacking you... and I'm not really sure why you're being so intolerant of my opinion. If you're going to act as if you're some kind of brilliant global warming - debunking whiz kid, you could probably do it without trying to make me feel like an idiot.
Look matt, I don't care what you say... misinformed or not, it still seems completely logical to me that this could be happening. That's great that you don't, and you have plenty of evidence to back it up (so do i). Kudos to you.
"Wait! Hold on there just one minute!" -That is the voice of the cornucucopian economist. You can read him in the pages of The Economist, The Wall Street Journal and myriad white papers prepared for the Competitive Enterprise Institute and other politically conservative think tanks.
-- this is where you seem to get most of your information.
P.S. I thought you wanted a "scientific debate", not a competition to see who the bigger smart ass is. I appreciate your opinion, but don't post on my page if you're going to be condescending.
And yes, every sane scientist in the world will tell you that ecological destruction is real... its right in front of your face. Look around you, it's happening ALL THE TIME. I was not talking specifically about global warming there. The debate over whether we are destroying or at least well on our way to destroying our planet's current ecology or not is completely over. That's why I say, you have to be insane to look at the facts and not come to the same conclusion. Or you have to be a die-hard economist with no regard towards the ecological impact of industry. Sorry but that's just my opinion. You're either nuts, or you're a republican in the pocket of Big Oil. (we can keep throwing these political bombshells at each other forever) Unfortunately this is what every debate between die-hard conservatives and die-hard liberals always turns into. It's sad, and it makes me wonder why I even bother blogging.
If you're going to post an article about global warming and fire salvoes at Bush for his incompetence / stupidity / choice of hirees, you really have already lost the moral high ground to accuse me of launching political attacks.
I'm not really sure why you're being so intolerant of my opinion.
And yet, assuredly anyone who disagrees with global warming must be insane?
Look matt, I don't care what you say... misinformed or not, it still seems completely logical to me that this could be happening.
It was also perfectly logical that the Earth was flat, the center of the universe, et cetera ad nauseum. The point is not to be right...its to look at facts, rather than emotional mumbo jumbo.
That is the voice of the cornucucopian economist.
I hardly think the leading climatologist at the worlds premier technology school can be slated as a panderer to a conservative think-tank, no matter where his work is published. Did you read it?
As for your deforestation information, I'm not sure what you expect anyone to do about it. People need food, they need places to live. I completely agree that we need to conserve, reduce our impact on our environments. However, the largest areas of deforestation aren't in the Americas, but in south Asia and Africa. Additionally, in stable (non-third world) countries deforestation basically stops as people become settled.
We're kind of getting off topic. You made the assertion that humans are causing global climate change and that it is fact -- that there is no "sane" way to doubt. I'm merely representing the information that states otherwise; that we don't know why the climate changes, or if we're impacting it.
I agree with you completely on conservation. People should not slash and burn rain forests. They shouldn't spill oil, and they should let their fields lie fallow to rejuvinate the soil. People also shouldn't murder, or steal, or rape. I just don't know what you expect to come of your righteous indignation.
I'm sorry, but when was there ever a mountain of evidence supporting the claim that the earth is flat and at the center of the universe? That was the church's assumption of the position and shape of the earth based on their interpretation of the bible, not scientific evidence.
You can make all the political attacks you want, i never said don't do that. I said that you could be respectful of my individual opinion. You called my assertions laughable and baseless, and i showed you where i got my information. No, I did not read the Wall Street Journal article because the link didn't take me there. If there were any possible way you could find a different article written by the same climate scientist on a different publication I would read it and take it very seriously.
A scientific editorial in a newspaper that is dedicated to tracking Wall Street just seems a little too susceptable to bias. I'll read it any, just find me the right link.
My "righteous indignation" on ecological destruction won't do a damn thing to reverse it. I'm just trying to inform people of what I know to be true. You have the same right, so keep commenting all you want.
*anyway
It seems like you're main argument here is that: "Yes, maybe we are destroying our environment... but what are we suppose to do about it? If everthing's going down the toilet, why even talk about it?"
Okay, I read the Lindzen article. Very interesting, but it only took me about a minute to find a point by point rebuttal to many of the arguments that Lindzen makes. (It's also obvious that Lindzen does not like my buddy Al Gore which immediately puts me on the defensive)
here's my article with the rebuttal: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/04/lindzen-point-by-point/
i hope you read it, but let's be realistic and just agree to disagree. neither of us are going to 'wow' one another with our knowledge on climate change. neither of us are going to change our minds. this debate could literally go on forever and ever, well after all of florida is underwater and the ice caps have already melted. (sorry, just had to throw that in there)
I think the point here is that while I am willing to admit yes, people are impacting the environment in real, measurable ways, I am not willing to go off the doomsday deep end and say we're causing global warming, oops, global climate change.
You put assertions out there that are false; there is little to no science to justify them. One side screaming louder than the other does not a consensus make.
Now, if you want to talk about regulating the way logging, mining, and drilling is done such that we don't do any unneccessary harm to the environment, thats fine. But the separation comes with the mass hysteria.
i think the real point here is that your belief in something like global warming really hinges on who you choose to listen to, who you put your faith into.
bottom line: (i've said it a million different ways already) rising temperatures, melting glaciers, population explosion and fossil fuel burning increasing exponentially every year... all happening AT ONCE. the graph that i show on my blog comes from the ipcc, an organization that your man lindzen participates in. the amount of co2 in the atmosphere will be double the carbon ceiling that our planet has ever reached in the last 400,000 years. the last 15 years have seen 9 heat records set with 2005 being the hottest.
i know we don't know BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT exactly how and why the climate changes, but most reasonable people see all of these factors and come to the conclusion that hey, we might be impacting our environment in negative ways. it's either that, or it's some wild coincidence. you choose to believe the latter.
i don't like coincidences.
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